tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637697413373553380.post6614811684059803647..comments2023-09-24T00:04:50.665-07:00Comments on Conspiracy Factory: Horizontal transfer makes worms photosynthesize?The Facticianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09982867322659167014noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637697413373553380.post-44545579563149330552007-09-27T15:48:00.000-07:002007-09-27T15:48:00.000-07:00Make that "bacter" bacteria.Make that "bacter" bacteria.The Facticianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09982867322659167014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637697413373553380.post-82502464780216298632007-09-27T15:46:00.000-07:002007-09-27T15:46:00.000-07:00Unlike bacter, horizontal transfer is still going ...Unlike bacter, horizontal transfer is still going to be a fairly small contributor to genome makeup in metazoans. That said, it's starting to look like it's a lot bigger than anyone ever thought it would be (i.e. a few years ago, people would have postulated that it would have made up nearly none of the genes in metazoans, now it may turn out to be merely very few of their genes). <BR/><BR/>It'sThe Facticianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09982867322659167014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637697413373553380.post-50746814864219293512007-09-27T15:12:00.000-07:002007-09-27T15:12:00.000-07:00Great post! I linked to it at The Primate Diaries...Great post! I linked to it at <A HREF="http://primatediaries.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">The Primate Diaries</A>.Eric Michael Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01272418277524164040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637697413373553380.post-69477675003935512932007-09-27T14:52:00.000-07:002007-09-27T14:52:00.000-07:00No, the propoer creationist argument is that this ...No, the propoer creationist argument is that this undermines the entire double-nested hierarchy claim which is one of the strongest supports for evolution. This statement would be wrong for a more interesting reason, because even if horizontal evolution is "common" compared to what we thought it was, the overall shape of the hierarchy is still nearly identical. Of course, since most creationists Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637697413373553380.post-6351102450132862502007-09-26T13:17:00.000-07:002007-09-26T13:17:00.000-07:00felicia,Honestly, I'm not sure where to draw the l...felicia,<BR/><BR/>Honestly, I'm not sure where to draw the line, though in the case of Wolbachia and mitochodria, I think where the lines are currently is pretty good. Keep in mind that an awful lot of naming has more to do with the history of how things are discovered than to do with what we know about them today.<BR/><BR/>I think part of the distinction to think about is genetic content. The The Facticianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09982867322659167014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637697413373553380.post-40630453803673451772007-09-26T13:03:00.000-07:002007-09-26T13:03:00.000-07:00Rob, the creationist argument is most likely to be...Rob, the creationist argument is most likely to be this: <I>"Evilutionists thought that horizontal gene transfer didn't happen in larger organisms but it does. Hence they were wrong about something. Therefore they are wrong about everything!"</I><BR/><BR/>Factician; There's something I've been wondering about when it comes to obligate endosymbionts. I've pestered just about every teacher and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637697413373553380.post-33316608590094923712007-09-25T11:00:00.000-07:002007-09-25T11:00:00.000-07:00That's too cool! Thank you.That's too cool! Thank you.Irving Washingtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15629950051474221320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637697413373553380.post-79266685434679054502007-09-22T14:57:00.000-07:002007-09-22T14:57:00.000-07:00How long do you think it will take before creation...How long do you think it will take before creationists jump on this as the latest example of evolution being a Theory In Crisis{TM}? Eg:<BR/><BR/><I>"Photosynthesizing worms are something biologists didn't predict, thus evolution is wrong. Somehow."</I><BR/> Or<BR/><I>"How amazingly and irreducibly complex: clearly the work of an intelligent designer who for legal reasons can't be called God."</Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637697413373553380.post-59014005626816177222007-09-20T07:26:00.000-07:002007-09-20T07:26:00.000-07:00Yep, I sort of think the guy was being coy. It's ...Yep, I sort of think the guy was being coy. It's an easy experiment to do, and to just put it out there in a talk like that suggests to me that he's already done the experiment, but isn't totally ready to publish.<BR/><BR/>Very cool, and I suspect it will be published soon.The Facticianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09982867322659167014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4637697413373553380.post-41405358018464398662007-09-20T07:15:00.000-07:002007-09-20T07:15:00.000-07:00Nice post. I just linked to it. Now, it's pretty o...Nice post. I just linked to it. Now, it's pretty obvious is that the next step would be to find the algae genes in the worm and voila!makitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16946226160704777285noreply@blogger.com